Comments on: WonderCon 09: ‘Terminator Salvation’ And The Return Of The PG-13 Debate http://geeksofdoom.com/2009/03/01/wondercon-09-terminator-salvation-and-the-return-of-the-pg-13-debate/ Stuff by geeks, about geeks, for geeks. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:26:45 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Schutzenegger http://geeksofdoom.com/2009/03/01/wondercon-09-terminator-salvation-and-the-return-of-the-pg-13-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-652779 Schutzenegger Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:23:30 +0000 http://geeksofdoom.com/?p=16037#comment-652779 No, you're right on. You know, maybe it was just my mom (who has written a few plays and a musical) telling me and no one else heard it, but I was always told that it takes less thought and imagination to resort to those sort of things than to do things in a different way No, you’re right on.

You know, maybe it was just my mom (who has written a few plays and a musical) telling me and no one else heard it, but I was always told that it takes less thought and imagination to resort to those sort of things than to do things in a different way

]]> By: Jonathan http://geeksofdoom.com/2009/03/01/wondercon-09-terminator-salvation-and-the-return-of-the-pg-13-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-652591 Jonathan Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:54:20 +0000 http://geeksofdoom.com/?p=16037#comment-652591 There are plenty of good movies that aren't rated R…just think of our beloved Dark Knight for one example. There were plenty of scenes in that film that seemed much more violent than they actually were. This was not achieved through the use of a ton of blood and guts all over the screen, but instead through combined efforts and talents of the director, actors, and composer. Wasn't the "magic trick" scene shocking enough to get a reaction and make a point about the character? Also, did we not come to view the Joker as a legitimately vile individual without him having to mutter a single f-word? Honestly, I'd prefer to see a movie without all of the language. I find it offensive and fairly distracting. It doesn't make a movie any more "real" or "gritty" to me (Something that, as I tried to say earlier, could easily be conveyed through the use of more subtle and intelligent methods). Actually, I enjoy movies with bad language very little and am less likely to buy them on DVD if they have an excessive amount. I remember not too long ago that the big "unrated" DVD craze started. Suddenly it was like, "Ooh! Let's make it unrated for the sake of making it unrated!" Most of the time it seems like it's done just to make the movie raunchier and more gory, not to make a serious "Director's Cut" that actually has some artistic merit. Don't get me wrong, I do watch and enjoy some R rated movies. I think that every once in a while to "show everything" and "say anything" in a film is appropriately fitting way to shock the audience and make a point. But I think that it should be the exception of the rule…NOT the standard like it seems to have become. I don't know…am I the only one who doesn't enjoy the increasing amount of excessive language, sex, and gore in films? There are plenty of good movies that aren’t rated R…just think of our beloved Dark Knight for one example. There were plenty of scenes in that film that seemed much more violent than they actually were. This was not achieved through the use of a ton of blood and guts all over the screen, but instead through combined efforts and talents of the director, actors, and composer. Wasn’t the “magic trick” scene shocking enough to get a reaction and make a point about the character? Also, did we not come to view the Joker as a legitimately vile individual without him having to mutter a single f-word?

Honestly, I’d prefer to see a movie without all of the language. I find it offensive and fairly distracting. It doesn’t make a movie any more “real” or “gritty” to me (Something that, as I tried to say earlier, could easily be conveyed through the use of more subtle and intelligent methods). Actually, I enjoy movies with bad language very little and am less likely to buy them on DVD if they have an excessive amount.

I remember not too long ago that the big “unrated” DVD craze started. Suddenly it was like, “Ooh! Let’s make it unrated for the sake of making it unrated!” Most of the time it seems like it’s done just to make the movie raunchier and more gory, not to make a serious “Director’s Cut” that actually has some artistic merit.

Don’t get me wrong, I do watch and enjoy some R rated movies. I think that every once in a while to “show everything” and “say anything” in a film is appropriately fitting way to shock the audience and make a point. But I think that it should be the exception of the rule…NOT the standard like it seems to have become.

I don’t know…am I the only one who doesn’t enjoy the increasing amount of excessive language, sex, and gore in films?

]]> By: Schutzenegger http://geeksofdoom.com/2009/03/01/wondercon-09-terminator-salvation-and-the-return-of-the-pg-13-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-652363 Schutzenegger Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:43:49 +0000 http://geeksofdoom.com/?p=16037#comment-652363 It's the same problem that a lot of older slasher movies ran into. you watch them today, and they really aren't anything more hardcore then what you're see in a PG-13 film... except they had to show some breasts to launch it into R rated territory. It gave the impression that the movie was going to be harder than it actually was... boobs don't automatically equal sexy... there are more imaginative ways to do that... you just have to think harder is all.. and boys like to see boobs If you have to resort to boobs to make your movie R, then it probably isn't that worth it, IMO. You can do a good film and show the ravages of war, and it doesn't have to be R... It’s the same problem that a lot of older slasher movies ran into. you watch them today, and they really aren’t anything more hardcore then what you’re see in a PG-13 film… except they had to show some breasts to launch it into R rated territory. It gave the impression that the movie was going to be harder than it actually was…

boobs don’t automatically equal sexy… there are more imaginative ways to do that… you just have to think harder is all.. and boys like to see boobs

If you have to resort to boobs to make your movie R, then it probably isn’t that worth it, IMO.
You can do a good film and show the ravages of war, and it doesn’t have to be R…

]]> By: burning_chrome http://geeksofdoom.com/2009/03/01/wondercon-09-terminator-salvation-and-the-return-of-the-pg-13-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-651931 burning_chrome Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:04:16 +0000 http://geeksofdoom.com/?p=16037#comment-651931 Honestly, are you really shocked by the possible PG-13 rating? If you haven't done so, go watch "This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated" on the ins and outs of the MPAA. We may get our "savagery of war" scenes with machines dismembering bodies, but no boobies or repeated use of foul language if McG wants his PG-13 rating. Honestly, are you really shocked by the possible PG-13 rating? If you haven’t done so, go watch “This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated” on the ins and outs of the MPAA.

We may get our “savagery of war” scenes with machines dismembering bodies, but no boobies or repeated use of foul language if McG wants his PG-13 rating.

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