Spoiler Talk: The Multiple ‘Wolverine’ Post-Credits Endings
By Empress Eve
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Saturday, May 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Soon after the major internet leak of an unfinished version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine, the film’s director Gavin Hoodannounced that the movie would have alternate post-credits endings, with different prints of the film containing a one of the endings. I don’t know how many endings there are in total, but so far two have been talked about online.
Since this is a SPOILER article, here’s your warning: SPOILER, this article discusses the ending of Wolverine and other aspects of the film and includes spoiler video.
First, there’s a scene that interrupts the end credits soon after they begin and shows a previously persuaded Stryker walking til his feet bleed and then some when he’s stopped by military police who want to question him about the murder of General Munson. I’m assuming this scene is probably included in every print of the film.
But then there was a super secret ending…
When the end credits are completely done, another scene is shown. The version I saw tonight had the one with a decapitated Deadpool/Weapon XI reaching his hand out from the rumble to reach for his severed head. Once the hand finds it, his eyes open and he says “Shhh…”
You can watch this final scene here below (hurry before it gets pulled).
Reports are that the alternate post-credits ending show Wolverine in a bar in Japan, where he tells the bartender that he’s drinking to remember.
Here’s some of my thoughts/queries on the film. Feel free to respond/explain/clarify.
Thank you Highlander, there can still only be one.
The dialogue was beyond cliche and completely eye-roll inducing.
The action was totally badass and made up for the horrible dialogue.
Hugh Jackman as Wolverine still rules.
Nothing against the actress who played Emma Frost, but she’s nothing like I imagined for this character. A better choice would have been Heroes‘ Ali Larter.
Thank goodness those backwater farm folks had a son with such good taste in clothes.
I’m still not sure why Victor Creed killed Bolt.
James is Wolverine’s given name and he grew up thinking James Howlett was his father. It turns out that Victor Creed’s father Thomas Logan — who killed James Howlett — is really James’s father. James kills Thomas Logan, who reveals the truth to him as he dies. So why would Wolverine then go by the name Logan?
Why would Creed fake Silverfox’s death instead of actually just really killing her? She had a “deal” with Stryker, but once they got what they needed from her, why would they have let her live?
If Silverfox’s powers of persuasion didn’t work on Logan and Creed, then why did Stryker send her to be with Logan in the first place? Why did he let Logan live in peace for six years?
As Silverfox was bleeding to death, she managed to grab hold of Stryker’s leg to use her mutant powers of persuasion on him. Instead of killing him, she tells him to walk until his feet bleed, I’m guessing she figured he’d drop dead from it eventually. Umm, this is the same guy who’s been killing people off and holding mutants captive and experimenting on them. Don’t you think that if you had the right and responsibility to kill someone, it would be this guy? By letting him live, she put other people’s lives in danger. Plus, how did her powers continue to work on Stryker after she died? Or for that matter, after she stopped touching him?
How did Scott Summers (Cyclops) know the way out of the facility?
How did Professor Charles Xavier know where the mutants were being held and how did he manage to show up just as the youngsters escaped?
Why is it so easy to fly your plane undetected onto Three Mile Island?
Not having been exposed to any of the early ‘origin’ comics, I dont have a hang-up about how they treated the characters or how much it differed from the comics
This probably helped me enjoy it a bit more, and in spite of the shallow characterisation and strange plot twists, I actually quite enjoyed the movie
Hugh Jackman can make anything look good, and I think he put a lot of money and energy into this film
Ryan Reynolds was wasted as ‘Wade’ and should have had more scenes
I’m not sure why *any* of them needed to be killed. Since it was just their DNA they were after, there are a 100 different ways to trick or convince someone into providing a sample
I believe that Silver Fox was with Wolverine so that there could be someone he could care about, so when she died that would motivate him into being experimented on. Of course, this doesnt change the ridiculousness of the idea that the best way to see if adamantium will kill Wolverine is to trick him into loving someone and then ‘fake’ killing them. Why not just knock him out, as sabretooth does at the bar/lumber yard, and then stick him in the vat unconscious? He had the added strength of vengeance to ‘stay alive and focus on’, but this wouldn’t have been available to weapon 11 onwards, and it would have saved them 6 years of waiting. I can just imagine the briefings:
-“So does he love you yet? Can we kill you to piss him off?”
-“no, we need to wait. I’ve got 5 folk tales, 3 nightmares, and 7 more sessions of hot sex before i think its time. No wait, make that 10 more sessions. Y’know what, i’ve lost count, let me get back to you.”
I’m assuming Xavier showing up was just coincidental timing (and convenient plotting) and he was using his noggin to direct Scott
And one more nitpick – why did Wolverine feel that the best way to fight Deadpool was on the top of a giant chimney stack? That must have been a bitch to climb
I agree dialogue could have been worked on and a few cgi effects needed work. My take on Bolt being killed was a way to draw all of the old crew together so that their powers could be harvested. Kind of makes it easier instead of hunting them down one at a time. Silverfox was kept around because she still had some usefulness. Cyclops knew the way out because Prof. X was sending him directions. And Prof. X knows everything. Not all things are answered and some are total BS, but I just thought I’d try it out. Great post.
But WHY was Xavier even involved? How did he know that the mutants were being held captive? Could it be he already had a connection with Scott and was looking for him? It just seemed weird and highly convenient that he showed up like that — though, admittedly, it was awesome to see him.
Maybe all you tards forgot about Cerebro. Xavier’s device to find humans, him and magneto made it really early in their friendship, before they became enemies.
Maybe Xavier used his Cerebro gizmo to know where the mutants are. Worked in the comics, IIRC. Overall agree with most of your points, Eve. I thought 2/3 of film were darn good but 1/3 worth of it was really bad. Being an old school fan it’s hard not to look at some of the scenes and just wonder “wtf?”. The whole Blob boxing match was one of those.
@Maniac
My point isn’t that Xavier isn’t capable of finding them — because I know he is. My point was where the hell did that scene come from? It’s a little too convenient to put him in there like that — as a deus ex machina.
WHY was he searching for them & how did he even know there was a problem in the first place. It would have been different if throughout the movie, we were shown/told that Xavier was looking for them. OR, they didn’t even have to say it was Xavier, it could have remained secret til the very end, and then we find out it’s him. But for him to conveniently show up as the kids are running from the facility is just poor storytelling.
who cares how he got there, IT WAS FREAKIN PATRICK STEWART AS FREAKIN PROFESSOR X, i had a hysterical fit of joy wen i saw his shiny bald head, if u think about it, prof x probably used Cerebro to find them
also, how come they gave deadpool optic blasts?? tht never happened in the comics did it?? i was annoyed they got rid of his mouth but thankfully was back to normal by end of credits, cant wait for more X films.
i think marvel is trying to do this whole “Xavier is marvel u’s god” thing…like remember when he took in magneto’s mind and became Onslaught many summers ago…or how they did a book with him dead and summers leading the team and shit fell apart?
i just have this feeling were going to see Fury and Xavier a lot before these marvel movies rap up, because for some reason marvel has a huge boner for Xavier.
And another thing, why doesn’t he just make himself float around? Wheelchairs are just asking for issues. Maybe the x-men jet does fit in a handicap spot.
PS SCREW MARVEL FOR MESSING UP DEADPOOL SO BADLY! and after they had a decent choice for his actor. for shame marvel.
Supposedly that’s not even the “Deadpool” ending. I read that it starts out the same, w/ the hand going towards the head. But then Wade shows up and says something like “That’s not me” and I guess we’re supposed to figure out that Weapon XI was a clone or something. That should’ve been the default secret ending. They were worried about people being upset about stuff when they watched the leaked version, well that ending would have cleared the Deadpool debacle up a little.
* James is Wolverine’s given name and he grew up thinking James Howlett was his father. It turns out that Victor Creed’s father Thomas Logan — who killed James Howlett — is really James’s father. James kills Thomas Logan, who reveals the truth to him as he dies. So why would Wolverine then go by the name Logan?
You answered your own question. James learned that Thomas Logan was his real father so he changed his last name to Logan plus people would be looking for James Howlett for murder. Whether it was logical or not, that’s what happened in the movie.
Great review, I’m pretty much with you on all your points. I saw both endings, the japanese bar one while on vacation in Hawaii and then the Weapon XI ending here in Memphis last night. My thoughts:
Way too many Darth Vader “Noooooooooo” moments. Terrible CGI on the claws.
Never explained why Sabertooth turns into Tyler Mane in the next film.
Too many unanswered questions.
Why couldn’t Wolverine smell or hear Silverfox’s “near flatline”
How did Cyclops get those ruby quartz glasses?
I need one of those Adamantium bullets after seeing this movie.
The whole point of Silverfox’s fake death was to motivate Wolverine to be bonded with adamantium. By the way, hearing a near flatline is pretty damn hard when you’re super emotional, super human powers or not. Why would you be able to smell it?
She never was recruited by Stryker, she and Wolverine were genuine. Stryker only gets her after they fake her death. From that point on, she is working with him to get her sister. She’s kept alive for the same reason Sabretooth is; she’s useful.
She doesn’t kill Stryker because if she did, one it conflicts with his appearance many years later in the X2 film and second, because that would go against her Native American beliefs. She continually shows reason (persuasion) over violence, especially in how she advises Wolverine that he is “not an animal”.
Cerebro is obviously how Professor X finds them and it is he who tells Scott the way out. This makes perfect sense to the movie since it is EVERYTHING that happens before Wolverine is at Xavier’s school for mutants.
I think it was fitting that there was “cliche dialogue” since all of these movies are based on 50 something year old comic books. How do you think the dialogue was in those? Besides think time period, Logan goes through about 4 major US wars.
Bolt was killed by Stryker though Sabretooth because he was part of the old team and as incentive to lure Wolverine into helping his cause.
I’m not worried about the deadpool thing too much, I think they’ll manage to “salvage” this character in spin-offs and such. I was thrilled to see Ryan Reynolds period, and even more excited that Taylor Kitsch was a kickass Gambit.
Overall, this movie was fantastic BESIDES the fact that they obviously spent about $20 dollars on Wolverin’s adamantium claws when you see them close up in the bathroom scene.
Wow, you just WANTED to pick on this movie for your geek cred and did it badly. Cyclops having his glasses pre-Xavier, Sabertooth changing, etc. are bigger plot holes than:
* Thank you Highlander, there can still only be one.
Umm, what?
* The dialogue was beyond cliche and completely eye-roll inducing.
I didn’t roll my eyes once. You want cliche, go watch Indy 4.
* [a] The action was totally badass [b] and made up for the horrible dialogue.
Agreed to part a.
* Hugh Jackman as Wolverine still rules.
Agreed.
* Nothing against the actress who played Emma Frost, but she’s nothing like I imagined for this character. A better choice would have been Heroes‘ Ali Larter.
She fit the roll just fine. The real question is, why did her skin turn to cut diamonds from the jewelry store instead of just BECOMING diamond like in the comics? The comic version would actually make more sense.
* Thank goodness those backwater farm folks had a son with such good taste in clothes.
Meh. Convenient, but so what?
* I’m still not sure why Victor Creed killed Bolt.
Umm… to trick the others into thinking there was a problem so Stryker could steal their powers… a.k.a. the main plot of the movie. Don’t take a nap during the show and maybe you’d have enjoyed it better.
* James is Wolverine’s given name and he grew up thinking James Howlett was his father. It turns out that Victor Creed’s father Thomas Logan — who killed James Howlett — is really James’s father. James kills Thomas Logan, who reveals the truth to him as he dies. So why would Wolverine then go by the name Logan?
The same damn reason he did it in the comic, basically as a tribute and to hide. The one thing they actually stayed true to from Origins and you call it out as a plot hole? Whatever.
* Why would Creed fake Silverfox’s death instead of actually just really killing her? She had a “deal†with Stryker, but once they got what they needed from her, why would they have let her live?
Stryker said it himself, they still needed her. He never said why, but it’s just the typical adjusting the deal after the fact situation; a man will to kill a military higher-up is clearly not beyond keeping his promises.
* If Silverfox’s powers of persuasion didn’t work on Logan and Creed, then why did Stryker send her to be with Logan in the first place? Why did he let Logan live in peace for six years?
He knew Wolverine would be the hardest to get DNA from, test the adamantium, etc. so he got the others’ first and plotted how to trick Logan; it’s not like he could get everybody’s powers in a week. Nor would Logan let his guard down so quickly, so he had to let Silverfox make him fall in love with her naturally; that takes time.
Beyond that, how quickly could they build that testing facility in secret? Not very.
Again, part of the main plot of the movie. This movie actually had one of the more coherent plots I’ve seen in a comic movie, you just have to, you know, actually pay attention. Those with ADD shouldn’t review movies I’m afraid.
* As Silverfox was bleeding to death, she managed to grab hold of Stryker’s leg to use her mutant powers of persuasion on him. Instead of killing him, she tells him to walk until his feet bleed, I’m guessing she figured he’d drop dead from it eventually. Umm, this is the same guy who’s been killing people off and holding mutants captive and experimenting on them. Don’t you think that if you had the right and responsibility to kill someone, it would be this guy? By letting him live, she put other people’s lives in danger. Plus, how did her powers continue to work on Stryker after she died? Or for that matter, after she stopped touching him?
The same reason Batman never kills the Joker. And whoever said her powers stop once she lets go? If that’s true than the jerk in the road wouldn’t have moved once she took her hand off.
* How did Scott Summers (Cyclops) know the way out of the facility?
Thanks to Professor X, the EXACT same way he led Wolverine in X-Men 1. Again, pay attention.
* How did Professor Charles Xavier know where the mutants were being held and how did he manage to show up just as the youngsters escaped?
Because he’s……. psychic. Welcome to the world of the X-Men.
* Why is it so easy to fly your plane undetected onto Three Mile Island?
Now THAT truly didn’t make sense.
Comment by Spoilerific-ass — May 3, 2009 @ 3:32 pm
If you don’t like the movie, don’t balme marvel friend…blame fox, supposedly fox puts out movies hastily so the rights don’t revert back to marvel studios…iron man was awesome, incredible hulk was awesome…why? Because marvel studios did the movies and had complete control over the two movies. X men 3 sucked why? Because marvel didn’t have control over the film. So other than the deadpool thing this movie was awesome.
Umm, first of all, learn to make a point without prefacing it with “Umm…”
Second, this is not a “review” as indicated by the fact that the title of this article is not “Movie Review: X-Men Origins: Wolverine.”
I saw the movie ONCE and these were my initial thoughts. Just because I didn’t catch ONE part — where Xavier tells Scott the way out — does not mean I have ADD.
I never said Logan’s name issue was a plot hole. I’m merely wondering why he would use that name. I mean, in the film, he KILLED this man. Why take his name? I don’t care one way or the other, but the truth is, they didn’t make his name change very clear.
The dialogue was absolutely cliche and eye-roll inducing, I will stand by that. Did it make me hate the film? No. Did it make me personally roll my eyes? Yes. If you liked it, that’s fine. I don’t wish to deprive people of enjoyment — I’m happy for you. These are just MY feelings about it.
You said “Stryker said it himself, they still needed her. He never said why, but it’s just the typical adjusting the deal after the fact situation; a man will to kill a military higher-up is clearly not beyond keeping his promises.” EXACTLY — why would he keep his end of the bargain? I don’t feel like he needed her at all after Logan thought she was dead. Obviously, it was important to the film’s “twist,” but that’s it.
In response to my comment on the farm couple’s son’s clothes, you said “Meh. Convenient, but so what?” Right, it was convenient, I didn’t say anything derogatory about it, merely that it’s a good think their son had good taste in clothes.
Lastly, I’m quite familiar with the world of X-Men, I KNOW Xavier is psychic! I guess I phrased it poorly because what I meant was how did it come to be that he’d be looking for these mutants? That is not explained at all. Just because he’s psychic doesn’t mean that he knows everything at all times. Did he already know that Stryker was rounding up mutants? Did he already know Scott? It’s poor scripting to have him just show up like that — even though I was happy as hell to see him.
And in conclusion, I’d like to say that one should never have to be familiar with source material in order to enjoy a film. The film should stand on its own — you should not NEED supplement material to understand it. Therefore, one should not have to be acquainted with the X-Men universe in order to follow/understand the events of the movie.
“Lastly, I’m quite familiar with the world of X-Men, I KNOW Xavier is psychic! I guess I phrased it poorly because what I meant was how did it come to be that he’d be looking for these mutants? That is not explained at all. Just because he’s psychic doesn’t mean that he knows everything at all times. Did he already know that Stryker was rounding up mutants? Did he already know Scott? It’s poor scripting to have him just show up like that — even though I was happy as hell to see him.”
True. Maybe Xavier origin story will be next or did the X-men tril already cover that.
“The film should stand on its own — you should not NEED supplement material to understand it.”
Agreed.
Why did Gambit fight Wolvie? Ok, the first card to the chest that blew him out of the building kinda made sense, but then when he was outside and they both saw Sabertooth and Gambit still attacked Wolverine. Why didn’t Gambit go after Sabertooth??
WTF?
Gambit was more intent going after the guy that gave him an adamantium shoulder to the nose, I know I would be. And I believe the next origins movie is going to be Magneto, so there is probably going to be a good deal about Xavier in it.
Comment by Jerome the Just — May 4, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
I thought what Alexx said in terms of Silverfox. I don’t think she was actually recruited until the time of the fake death and Stryker was lying about it being a set up from the beginning.
Perhaps Xavier was curious when he found a bunch of mutants gathered at a nuclear power plant.
Also, I was having flash backs of “Commando” for a while in Wolverine… “We’re here to warn you that your old team mates are being killed off one by one Matrix I mean Wolverine…”
honestly i agree with everything Spoilerific-ass said…..although i hatd that deadpool also had cyclops powers. It also would have been cooler if they had him put on the suit because it would have made more since with him having the teleporting powers. But overall i really did think the movie was great. I just saw it yesterday and id go see it again.
Comment by young female fan — May 5, 2009 @ 6:10 pm
plus im happy they used ryan reynolds for his character but it would have been better if he could still talk cause thats deadpool’s whole personality.
Comment by young female fan — May 5, 2009 @ 6:13 pm
Since most of the things you said were adressed would just like to say… a few of you people need to let up a bit, just because Eve wasnt taking notes while in the theater doesnt mean she should be flamed at!
Movie was great, but just some minor changes to the ending that I would have done to setup the next spin-offs.
Wolverine picks Sable up from the ground.
Stryker shoots wolverine, Sable Falls to the ground,
Stryker shoots again, knocks wolverine back,
Wolverine lunges toward Stryker,
Stryker empties the entire clip into wolverine.
Last bullet goes through his eye, CGI effects shows the bullet tearing through his eye and resting in his brain
Wolverine lies on the ground next to Silver Sable. Stryker walks over to Wolverine gun at the ready
Silver sable grabs his leg and tells him to point the gun at his head and pull the trigger
Stryker pulls the trigger and gun clicks, frusted sable tells him to walk until his feet bleed
Stryker walks off scene and Sable dies
Gambit comes in checks wolverine’s pulse,
checks Sable pulse
Wolverine begins to move and stands up, eye heals over
Gambit: “Look who just came back from the deadâ€
Wolverine looks confused unable to talk mutters “from the deadâ€
Gambit looks perplexed and says “Lets get you to a hosiptial mona-meâ€
As gambit reaches towards wolverine Wolverine backs up and extends claws and starts to growl
Gambits steps back and eyes and stick glowing “Easy there â€
Wolverine: struggles to talk, mutters “…Easy…”
Gambit stares back and reaches into his jacket
Wolverine sees Gambit reaching and lunges toward gambit
Gambit spins out of the way and runs off while throwing glowing cards in the air behind him as he leaves
Wolveine runs after but is blown off his feet from cards
Wolverine shakes it off and gets up. Gambit is no where to be seen
Looks at Sable for a while trying to see who she is, confused look on his face
Runs off into woods claws drawn.
Go to Stryker walking. Cue Stryker scene
End Credit roll by, Dead pool head seen, eyes open and shh.
Deadpool picks up head and says “Hey look fellas this one talksâ€
Looks down and sees sworded arm, “and comes with a free prizeâ€
“How come you guys didn’t come with prizesâ€
Deadpool toses head into netted bag full of weapon XI heads.
Deadpool walks off
On the Xavier’s timing issue – It would make sense that the good Professor would have known about the installation for a while at this point. That said, without things like the X-Men and/or Magneto to help him out, he couldn’t have just busted in and gotten them free. Well, he could have, but that would involve completely overriding someone’s brain (or several someones) and especially at the time of the movie, his character just refused to do things like that.
On the Deadpool issue, I thought the did it reasonably well. Sure the added powers were a bit goofy, but being tortured and experimented on is well within his history and Ryan Reynolds did a fantastic job of making him quirky and nearly amoral at the beginning. Heck, all that was missing was him randomly stabbing one of his friends over potato chips :-)
I also had an issue with Gambit’s interruption of the Wolverine/Sabertooth fight. I have no issue with Gambit picking a fight (after all, isn’t that the way all good guys are introduced? by fighting other good guys before knowing they’re good?). My issue is that Gambit jumped into it before letting Wolverine finish off Sabertooth. The Gambit I know and love would have waited that extra 10 seconds and “played a better hand”. I don’t mean to complain all too much, that one moment just made me raise an eyebrow at the writers a bit.
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Professor Xavier told scott where to go, you can hear the professor say “go left scott” and then they go left.
Comment by ChMalone — May 2, 2009 @ 8:31 pm
My thoughts (spoilers!):
Not having been exposed to any of the early ‘origin’ comics, I dont have a hang-up about how they treated the characters or how much it differed from the comics
This probably helped me enjoy it a bit more, and in spite of the shallow characterisation and strange plot twists, I actually quite enjoyed the movie
Hugh Jackman can make anything look good, and I think he put a lot of money and energy into this film
Ryan Reynolds was wasted as ‘Wade’ and should have had more scenes
I’m not sure why *any* of them needed to be killed. Since it was just their DNA they were after, there are a 100 different ways to trick or convince someone into providing a sample
I believe that Silver Fox was with Wolverine so that there could be someone he could care about, so when she died that would motivate him into being experimented on. Of course, this doesnt change the ridiculousness of the idea that the best way to see if adamantium will kill Wolverine is to trick him into loving someone and then ‘fake’ killing them. Why not just knock him out, as sabretooth does at the bar/lumber yard, and then stick him in the vat unconscious? He had the added strength of vengeance to ‘stay alive and focus on’, but this wouldn’t have been available to weapon 11 onwards, and it would have saved them 6 years of waiting. I can just imagine the briefings:
-“So does he love you yet? Can we kill you to piss him off?”
-“no, we need to wait. I’ve got 5 folk tales, 3 nightmares, and 7 more sessions of hot sex before i think its time. No wait, make that 10 more sessions. Y’know what, i’ve lost count, let me get back to you.”
I’m assuming Xavier showing up was just coincidental timing (and convenient plotting) and he was using his noggin to direct Scott
And one more nitpick – why did Wolverine feel that the best way to fight Deadpool was on the top of a giant chimney stack? That must have been a bitch to climb
Comment by Kell — May 2, 2009 @ 9:33 pm
Prof X was leading Scott, who leading the children to himself.
My question; Is Emma now native american? Is Blob just fat? Does Deadpool have Maverick’s powers? Did Weapon Zero really die?
Comment by Ranma — May 2, 2009 @ 9:35 pm
I agree dialogue could have been worked on and a few cgi effects needed work. My take on Bolt being killed was a way to draw all of the old crew together so that their powers could be harvested. Kind of makes it easier instead of hunting them down one at a time. Silverfox was kept around because she still had some usefulness. Cyclops knew the way out because Prof. X was sending him directions. And Prof. X knows everything. Not all things are answered and some are total BS, but I just thought I’d try it out. Great post.
Comment by James — May 2, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
THere is some Highlander in this film.
Wished I liked it more.
Not crazy about this entry, but I liked your article a lot.
Comment by Jerry — May 2, 2009 @ 10:14 pm
But WHY was Xavier even involved? How did he know that the mutants were being held captive? Could it be he already had a connection with Scott and was looking for him? It just seemed weird and highly convenient that he showed up like that — though, admittedly, it was awesome to see him.
Comment by Empress Eve — May 2, 2009 @ 10:14 pm
Maybe all you tards forgot about Cerebro. Xavier’s device to find humans, him and magneto made it really early in their friendship, before they became enemies.
Comment by Maniac — May 2, 2009 @ 10:57 pm
also finds mutants, forgot to mention that… got a little tarded in my anger.
Comment by Maniac — May 2, 2009 @ 10:58 pm
Maybe Xavier used his Cerebro gizmo to know where the mutants are. Worked in the comics, IIRC. Overall agree with most of your points, Eve. I thought 2/3 of film were darn good but 1/3 worth of it was really bad. Being an old school fan it’s hard not to look at some of the scenes and just wonder “wtf?”. The whole Blob boxing match was one of those.
Comment by sleestakk — May 2, 2009 @ 11:21 pm
@Maniac
My point isn’t that Xavier isn’t capable of finding them — because I know he is. My point was where the hell did that scene come from? It’s a little too convenient to put him in there like that — as a deus ex machina.
WHY was he searching for them & how did he even know there was a problem in the first place. It would have been different if throughout the movie, we were shown/told that Xavier was looking for them. OR, they didn’t even have to say it was Xavier, it could have remained secret til the very end, and then we find out it’s him. But for him to conveniently show up as the kids are running from the facility is just poor storytelling.
Comment by Empress Eve — May 3, 2009 @ 7:38 am
who cares how he got there, IT WAS FREAKIN PATRICK STEWART AS FREAKIN PROFESSOR X, i had a hysterical fit of joy wen i saw his shiny bald head, if u think about it, prof x probably used Cerebro to find them
also, how come they gave deadpool optic blasts?? tht never happened in the comics did it?? i was annoyed they got rid of his mouth but thankfully was back to normal by end of credits, cant wait for more X films.
Mutie 4 life
Comment by Dr Blitzgeek — May 3, 2009 @ 8:37 am
i think marvel is trying to do this whole “Xavier is marvel u’s god” thing…like remember when he took in magneto’s mind and became Onslaught many summers ago…or how they did a book with him dead and summers leading the team and shit fell apart?
i just have this feeling were going to see Fury and Xavier a lot before these marvel movies rap up, because for some reason marvel has a huge boner for Xavier.
And another thing, why doesn’t he just make himself float around? Wheelchairs are just asking for issues. Maybe the x-men jet does fit in a handicap spot.
PS SCREW MARVEL FOR MESSING UP DEADPOOL SO BADLY! and after they had a decent choice for his actor. for shame marvel.
Comment by Tarsonus — May 3, 2009 @ 9:32 am
Supposedly that’s not even the “Deadpool” ending. I read that it starts out the same, w/ the hand going towards the head. But then Wade shows up and says something like “That’s not me” and I guess we’re supposed to figure out that Weapon XI was a clone or something. That should’ve been the default secret ending. They were worried about people being upset about stuff when they watched the leaked version, well that ending would have cleared the Deadpool debacle up a little.
Comment by AngieBatgirl — May 3, 2009 @ 10:02 am
* James is Wolverine’s given name and he grew up thinking James Howlett was his father. It turns out that Victor Creed’s father Thomas Logan — who killed James Howlett — is really James’s father. James kills Thomas Logan, who reveals the truth to him as he dies. So why would Wolverine then go by the name Logan?
You answered your own question. James learned that Thomas Logan was his real father so he changed his last name to Logan plus people would be looking for James Howlett for murder. Whether it was logical or not, that’s what happened in the movie.
Comment by Jim Taylor — May 3, 2009 @ 10:27 am
Great review, I’m pretty much with you on all your points. I saw both endings, the japanese bar one while on vacation in Hawaii and then the Weapon XI ending here in Memphis last night. My thoughts:
Way too many Darth Vader “Noooooooooo” moments. Terrible CGI on the claws.
Never explained why Sabertooth turns into Tyler Mane in the next film.
Too many unanswered questions.
Why couldn’t Wolverine smell or hear Silverfox’s “near flatline”
How did Cyclops get those ruby quartz glasses?
I need one of those Adamantium bullets after seeing this movie.
Comment by Vactor — May 3, 2009 @ 10:43 am
The whole point of Silverfox’s fake death was to motivate Wolverine to be bonded with adamantium. By the way, hearing a near flatline is pretty damn hard when you’re super emotional, super human powers or not. Why would you be able to smell it?
She never was recruited by Stryker, she and Wolverine were genuine. Stryker only gets her after they fake her death. From that point on, she is working with him to get her sister. She’s kept alive for the same reason Sabretooth is; she’s useful.
She doesn’t kill Stryker because if she did, one it conflicts with his appearance many years later in the X2 film and second, because that would go against her Native American beliefs. She continually shows reason (persuasion) over violence, especially in how she advises Wolverine that he is “not an animal”.
Cerebro is obviously how Professor X finds them and it is he who tells Scott the way out. This makes perfect sense to the movie since it is EVERYTHING that happens before Wolverine is at Xavier’s school for mutants.
I think it was fitting that there was “cliche dialogue” since all of these movies are based on 50 something year old comic books. How do you think the dialogue was in those? Besides think time period, Logan goes through about 4 major US wars.
Bolt was killed by Stryker though Sabretooth because he was part of the old team and as incentive to lure Wolverine into helping his cause.
I’m not worried about the deadpool thing too much, I think they’ll manage to “salvage” this character in spin-offs and such. I was thrilled to see Ryan Reynolds period, and even more excited that Taylor Kitsch was a kickass Gambit.
Overall, this movie was fantastic BESIDES the fact that they obviously spent about $20 dollars on Wolverin’s adamantium claws when you see them close up in the bathroom scene.
Comment by Alexx — May 3, 2009 @ 3:01 pm
Wow, you just WANTED to pick on this movie for your geek cred and did it badly. Cyclops having his glasses pre-Xavier, Sabertooth changing, etc. are bigger plot holes than:
* Thank you Highlander, there can still only be one.
Umm, what?
* The dialogue was beyond cliche and completely eye-roll inducing.
I didn’t roll my eyes once. You want cliche, go watch Indy 4.
* [a] The action was totally badass [b] and made up for the horrible dialogue.
Agreed to part a.
* Hugh Jackman as Wolverine still rules.
Agreed.
* Nothing against the actress who played Emma Frost, but she’s nothing like I imagined for this character. A better choice would have been Heroes‘ Ali Larter.
She fit the roll just fine. The real question is, why did her skin turn to cut diamonds from the jewelry store instead of just BECOMING diamond like in the comics? The comic version would actually make more sense.
* Thank goodness those backwater farm folks had a son with such good taste in clothes.
Meh. Convenient, but so what?
* I’m still not sure why Victor Creed killed Bolt.
Umm… to trick the others into thinking there was a problem so Stryker could steal their powers… a.k.a. the main plot of the movie. Don’t take a nap during the show and maybe you’d have enjoyed it better.
* James is Wolverine’s given name and he grew up thinking James Howlett was his father. It turns out that Victor Creed’s father Thomas Logan — who killed James Howlett — is really James’s father. James kills Thomas Logan, who reveals the truth to him as he dies. So why would Wolverine then go by the name Logan?
The same damn reason he did it in the comic, basically as a tribute and to hide. The one thing they actually stayed true to from Origins and you call it out as a plot hole? Whatever.
* Why would Creed fake Silverfox’s death instead of actually just really killing her? She had a “deal†with Stryker, but once they got what they needed from her, why would they have let her live?
Stryker said it himself, they still needed her. He never said why, but it’s just the typical adjusting the deal after the fact situation; a man will to kill a military higher-up is clearly not beyond keeping his promises.
* If Silverfox’s powers of persuasion didn’t work on Logan and Creed, then why did Stryker send her to be with Logan in the first place? Why did he let Logan live in peace for six years?
He knew Wolverine would be the hardest to get DNA from, test the adamantium, etc. so he got the others’ first and plotted how to trick Logan; it’s not like he could get everybody’s powers in a week. Nor would Logan let his guard down so quickly, so he had to let Silverfox make him fall in love with her naturally; that takes time.
Beyond that, how quickly could they build that testing facility in secret? Not very.
Again, part of the main plot of the movie. This movie actually had one of the more coherent plots I’ve seen in a comic movie, you just have to, you know, actually pay attention. Those with ADD shouldn’t review movies I’m afraid.
* As Silverfox was bleeding to death, she managed to grab hold of Stryker’s leg to use her mutant powers of persuasion on him. Instead of killing him, she tells him to walk until his feet bleed, I’m guessing she figured he’d drop dead from it eventually. Umm, this is the same guy who’s been killing people off and holding mutants captive and experimenting on them. Don’t you think that if you had the right and responsibility to kill someone, it would be this guy? By letting him live, she put other people’s lives in danger. Plus, how did her powers continue to work on Stryker after she died? Or for that matter, after she stopped touching him?
The same reason Batman never kills the Joker. And whoever said her powers stop once she lets go? If that’s true than the jerk in the road wouldn’t have moved once she took her hand off.
* How did Scott Summers (Cyclops) know the way out of the facility?
Thanks to Professor X, the EXACT same way he led Wolverine in X-Men 1. Again, pay attention.
* How did Professor Charles Xavier know where the mutants were being held and how did he manage to show up just as the youngsters escaped?
Because he’s……. psychic. Welcome to the world of the X-Men.
* Why is it so easy to fly your plane undetected onto Three Mile Island?
Now THAT truly didn’t make sense.
Comment by Spoilerific-ass — May 3, 2009 @ 3:32 pm
If you don’t like the movie, don’t balme marvel friend…blame fox, supposedly fox puts out movies hastily so the rights don’t revert back to marvel studios…iron man was awesome, incredible hulk was awesome…why? Because marvel studios did the movies and had complete control over the two movies. X men 3 sucked why? Because marvel didn’t have control over the film. So other than the deadpool thing this movie was awesome.
Comment by Rich — May 3, 2009 @ 7:16 pm
@Spoilerific-ass:
Umm, first of all, learn to make a point without prefacing it with “Umm…”
Second, this is not a “review” as indicated by the fact that the title of this article is not “Movie Review: X-Men Origins: Wolverine.”
I saw the movie ONCE and these were my initial thoughts. Just because I didn’t catch ONE part — where Xavier tells Scott the way out — does not mean I have ADD.
I never said Logan’s name issue was a plot hole. I’m merely wondering why he would use that name. I mean, in the film, he KILLED this man. Why take his name? I don’t care one way or the other, but the truth is, they didn’t make his name change very clear.
The dialogue was absolutely cliche and eye-roll inducing, I will stand by that. Did it make me hate the film? No. Did it make me personally roll my eyes? Yes. If you liked it, that’s fine. I don’t wish to deprive people of enjoyment — I’m happy for you. These are just MY feelings about it.
You said “Stryker said it himself, they still needed her. He never said why, but it’s just the typical adjusting the deal after the fact situation; a man will to kill a military higher-up is clearly not beyond keeping his promises.” EXACTLY — why would he keep his end of the bargain? I don’t feel like he needed her at all after Logan thought she was dead. Obviously, it was important to the film’s “twist,” but that’s it.
In response to my comment on the farm couple’s son’s clothes, you said “Meh. Convenient, but so what?” Right, it was convenient, I didn’t say anything derogatory about it, merely that it’s a good think their son had good taste in clothes.
Lastly, I’m quite familiar with the world of X-Men, I KNOW Xavier is psychic! I guess I phrased it poorly because what I meant was how did it come to be that he’d be looking for these mutants? That is not explained at all. Just because he’s psychic doesn’t mean that he knows everything at all times. Did he already know that Stryker was rounding up mutants? Did he already know Scott? It’s poor scripting to have him just show up like that — even though I was happy as hell to see him.
And in conclusion, I’d like to say that one should never have to be familiar with source material in order to enjoy a film. The film should stand on its own — you should not NEED supplement material to understand it. Therefore, one should not have to be acquainted with the X-Men universe in order to follow/understand the events of the movie.
Thank you for your lengthy response.
Comment by Empress Eve — May 3, 2009 @ 8:36 pm
“Lastly, I’m quite familiar with the world of X-Men, I KNOW Xavier is psychic! I guess I phrased it poorly because what I meant was how did it come to be that he’d be looking for these mutants? That is not explained at all. Just because he’s psychic doesn’t mean that he knows everything at all times. Did he already know that Stryker was rounding up mutants? Did he already know Scott? It’s poor scripting to have him just show up like that — even though I was happy as hell to see him.”
True. Maybe Xavier origin story will be next or did the X-men tril already cover that.
“The film should stand on its own — you should not NEED supplement material to understand it.”
Agreed.
Comment by just saw it — May 3, 2009 @ 11:35 pm
Why did Gambit fight Wolvie? Ok, the first card to the chest that blew him out of the building kinda made sense, but then when he was outside and they both saw Sabertooth and Gambit still attacked Wolverine. Why didn’t Gambit go after Sabertooth??
WTF?
Comment by T-VO — May 4, 2009 @ 10:49 am
Gambit was more intent going after the guy that gave him an adamantium shoulder to the nose, I know I would be. And I believe the next origins movie is going to be Magneto, so there is probably going to be a good deal about Xavier in it.
Comment by Jerome the Just — May 4, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
I thought what Alexx said in terms of Silverfox. I don’t think she was actually recruited until the time of the fake death and Stryker was lying about it being a set up from the beginning.
Perhaps Xavier was curious when he found a bunch of mutants gathered at a nuclear power plant.
Comment by Hindred — May 4, 2009 @ 6:27 pm
Man, GAMBIT was awesome, he needs to be in another movie!
Comment by Franc — May 4, 2009 @ 9:46 pm
Why didn’t Silverfox just use her jedi mind tricks on Stryker in the first place?? “Let my sister go”
Comment by El Diablo — May 5, 2009 @ 11:41 am
Also, I was having flash backs of “Commando” for a while in Wolverine… “We’re here to warn you that your old team mates are being killed off one by one Matrix I mean Wolverine…”
(I saw the Japan ending… Lame)
Comment by El Diablo — May 5, 2009 @ 11:51 am
honestly i agree with everything Spoilerific-ass said…..although i hatd that deadpool also had cyclops powers. It also would have been cooler if they had him put on the suit because it would have made more since with him having the teleporting powers. But overall i really did think the movie was great. I just saw it yesterday and id go see it again.
Comment by young female fan — May 5, 2009 @ 6:10 pm
plus im happy they used ryan reynolds for his character but it would have been better if he could still talk cause thats deadpool’s whole personality.
Comment by young female fan — May 5, 2009 @ 6:13 pm
Since most of the things you said were adressed would just like to say… a few of you people need to let up a bit, just because Eve wasnt taking notes while in the theater doesnt mean she should be flamed at!
Comment by Poodle Soup — May 6, 2009 @ 9:43 am
Movie was great, but just some minor changes to the ending that I would have done to setup the next spin-offs.
Wolverine picks Sable up from the ground.
Stryker shoots wolverine, Sable Falls to the ground,
Stryker shoots again, knocks wolverine back,
Wolverine lunges toward Stryker,
Stryker empties the entire clip into wolverine.
Last bullet goes through his eye, CGI effects shows the bullet tearing through his eye and resting in his brain
Wolverine lies on the ground next to Silver Sable. Stryker walks over to Wolverine gun at the ready
Silver sable grabs his leg and tells him to point the gun at his head and pull the trigger
Stryker pulls the trigger and gun clicks, frusted sable tells him to walk until his feet bleed
Stryker walks off scene and Sable dies
Gambit comes in checks wolverine’s pulse,
checks Sable pulse
Wolverine begins to move and stands up, eye heals over
Gambit: “Look who just came back from the deadâ€
Wolverine looks confused unable to talk mutters “from the deadâ€
Gambit looks perplexed and says “Lets get you to a hosiptial mona-meâ€
As gambit reaches towards wolverine Wolverine backs up and extends claws and starts to growl
Gambits steps back and eyes and stick glowing “Easy there â€
Wolverine: struggles to talk, mutters “…Easy…”
Gambit stares back and reaches into his jacket
Wolverine sees Gambit reaching and lunges toward gambit
Gambit spins out of the way and runs off while throwing glowing cards in the air behind him as he leaves
Wolveine runs after but is blown off his feet from cards
Wolverine shakes it off and gets up. Gambit is no where to be seen
Looks at Sable for a while trying to see who she is, confused look on his face
Runs off into woods claws drawn.
Go to Stryker walking. Cue Stryker scene
End Credit roll by, Dead pool head seen, eyes open and shh.
Deadpool picks up head and says “Hey look fellas this one talksâ€
Looks down and sees sworded arm, “and comes with a free prizeâ€
“How come you guys didn’t come with prizesâ€
Deadpool toses head into netted bag full of weapon XI heads.
Deadpool walks off
Comment by dennis — May 6, 2009 @ 6:04 pm
How come no one has mentioned that Wolverine and Sabretooth are not brothers? Way to ruin the movie from the start.
I can’t get over how bad they ruined Deadpool, such promise. Kudos Marvel
Comment by Really?? — May 6, 2009 @ 10:11 pm
i guess cyclops knew the way because of charles xavier… but why charles “talked” only to him, i don’t know…
Comment by wew — May 7, 2009 @ 4:33 am
So, to chime in just a bit for the giggle of it:
On the Xavier’s timing issue – It would make sense that the good Professor would have known about the installation for a while at this point. That said, without things like the X-Men and/or Magneto to help him out, he couldn’t have just busted in and gotten them free. Well, he could have, but that would involve completely overriding someone’s brain (or several someones) and especially at the time of the movie, his character just refused to do things like that.
On the Deadpool issue, I thought the did it reasonably well. Sure the added powers were a bit goofy, but being tortured and experimented on is well within his history and Ryan Reynolds did a fantastic job of making him quirky and nearly amoral at the beginning. Heck, all that was missing was him randomly stabbing one of his friends over potato chips :-)
I also had an issue with Gambit’s interruption of the Wolverine/Sabertooth fight. I have no issue with Gambit picking a fight (after all, isn’t that the way all good guys are introduced? by fighting other good guys before knowing they’re good?). My issue is that Gambit jumped into it before letting Wolverine finish off Sabertooth. The Gambit I know and love would have waited that extra 10 seconds and “played a better hand”. I don’t mean to complain all too much, that one moment just made me raise an eyebrow at the writers a bit.
Comment by Taelus — May 7, 2009 @ 12:25 pm
Scott Summers knew the way out because, as you can clearly hear, Professor Charles Xavier is telling him directions telepathically…
Comment by Jejdbf — July 6, 2011 @ 12:39 pm